Feminism and Meninism | My opinion on The Sun's Page 3


What is Feminism?

Feminism is the belief that women should be allowed the same rights, power, and opportunities as men and be treated in the same way, or the set of activities intended to achieve this state.

What is Meninism?

Something that does not exist in the Cambridge Dictionary. It also indicates that it is a word men made up to take the piss out of feminists. Well played men, well played.


Before we start, I just want to say that I am a little Feminist, but I am not extreme and I do not hate men. I agree with equal rights with both women and men, and I disagree with the "men are stronger and in charge of women" sexist attitudes that some men have towards women.

Let's face it, there will always be the extreme Meninists and Feminists, but when does it all go too far?

Recently, there have been many articles and news readings about campaigners protesting about The Sun's Page 3 (a picture of a Topless Woman) after it has been branded a 'sexist anachronism' by campaigners. I have heard that Feminists have also been protesting against the famous Page 3 - wouldn't surprise me if they were the ones who started all this. Fair enough you may think women and men are exploiting a woman's body, but have you ever thought that it is the woman's choice to pose topless? It's a job they have chose, it's a job they get paid for, it's a job they enjoy. 

Why would you protest against it? The Sun's Page 3 has been around for more than fourty years and I have never heard a complaint, until now. Are Feminists just finding more excuses to protest and argue? Is it just another subject they can complain about? What is their problem?


Here is a small article I found on Wikipedia:

Page 3 and the January 2015 incident

""The Sun has defended Page 3 for more than 40 years, with (then) editor Dominic Mohan telling the Leveson Inquiry into press standards, in February 2012, that "Page 3" was an "innocuous British Institution, regarded with affection and tolerance." To mark the feature's 40th anniversary, feminist author, Germaine Greer wrote an article in The Sun on 18 November 2010 published under the headline: "If I ask my odd-job man what he gets out of page 3, he tells me simply, 'It cheers me up'".
In August 2013, The Irish Sun ended the practice of featuring topless models on Page 3. The main newspaper was reported to have followed in 2015 with the edition of 16 January supposedly the last to carry such photographs. After substantial coverage in the media about an alleged change in editorial policy, Page 3 returned to its usual format on 22 January 2015. A few hours before the issue was published, the Head of PR at the newspaper said the reputed end of Page 3 had been "speculation" only.""

The independent wrote an article on a bigger scale about The Sun's page 3

Cosmopolitan have recently wrote an article about a 16 year old Feminist called June talking about how she objectifies against The Sun's Page 3 and why she is "ecstatic" when she heard about the end of Page 3. Honestly, she fights a good battle and gives off some pretty fighting-talk points. Here are a few things she said that I thought were fair:

"As I sat annotating my History Textbook, a man came and tapped me on the shoulder. I looked up and he had the newspaper on Page 3. "You should stop reading that textbook. With those jugs you've got, I bet you could be on this page too.""

Honestly, this is disgusting. When has it become acceptable for a man to approach a school girl, let alone a woman, and talk to her like that? 1. Jugs? Mate, they are breasts. 2. It is plain disrespectful.

"Here was a stranger, telling me I shouldn't bother with school, because after all, I had the better option - I could show my breasts for men!"

June is right to be angry, the man was disrespectful and had no right to tell a young school girl that she should show off her breasts to men instead of bothering with school. Vile.

""Look at the tits on that!" I am tired of being called "that.""

When has it become right for men to treat women like objects? "That" is such a horrible term for a woman. She is a human, a living being. The best term to call a topless woman is a "her." Get some respect.

"Imagine if for the last 45 years, The Sun had showed a big and young scrotum everyday in a national family newspaper. Imagine it was normal for us to comment on balls the whole time. To judge people on them. To grab them. And then imagine us calling it "a bit of harmless fun."

She has a point. This quote will also be in the disagree section below. 

"Feminists are not denying women a choice - we're just saying that having nipples everyday in a family newspaper is not right."

Fair play to her. Nipples at the breakfast table, yum? Not everyone would like to see nipples at the table.

"I have a little sister. She's eight and she wants to be an architect. She puts boys in her class in their place. She is smart, beautiful and kind. She doesn't know about Page 3 and she shouldn't have to. I never want to have a conversation with her about naked women showing their breasts in a family newspaper."

I agree, she is only eight and she shouldn't have to look at Page 3 seen as she is only a child. I wouldn't have wanted the same conversation when my little sister was eight either - awkward. This quote will also be in the disagree section below.



Now here are some things she said that I have to disagree with:

"I recently heard a group of year 10 boys who said when they grew older; they would replace their love of fighting with sex. I don't know about you, but that sounds terribly wrong to me. This sex will probably be violent and non-consensual."

I'm not being funny but just because the boys said they would replace their love of fighting with sex does not mean sex will become rape. To me, it sounds good in a way, they won't fight, but they will love to have sex. Who says it will be violent? Their lads after all, they are hormonal and beginning to know what 'horny' is and feels like. Let the lads look at a topless women and love sex, it is better than them fighting each other black and blue, right? To be fair, I can see where June is coming from, but I think she has took this the wrong way.

"Imagine if for the last 45 years, The Sun had showed a big and young scrotum everyday in a national family newspaper. Imagine it was normal for us to comment on balls the whole time. To judge people on them. To grab them. And then imagine us calling it "a bit of harmless fun."

Though I said before that June has a point, I have also put it in the disagree section because it is just hilarious and a little bit pathetic. On Page 3, the women don't have their vaginas out do they? They are topless showing breasts and nipples. I think June should have said that there should be topless men on the next page showing pecks and nipple, not their penis and balls. Makes it equal. Top for top.

"For men who feel they that inevitable end of Page 3 will mean they are denied their daily titillation at the breakfast table, i'm ever so sorry but you're going to have to use something called the internet. I know it's hard, for so many years you've had to flick a page, but give it a go."

1. There was no need for the sarcasm. 2. What's the difference between looking at topless women on the internet and looking and topless women in a paper? (Yes I know, ones paper, ones online.) A topless photo is a topless photo no matter where it is published - it still 'exploits' women. Feminists don't even have to flick to page 3, they could easily skip past it if it's not their cup of tea, just like they don't have to search 'topless ladies' on the internet.

"I have a little sister. She's eight and she wants to be an architect. She puts boys in her class in their place. She is smart, beautiful and kind. She doesn't know about Page 3 and she shouldn't have to. I never want to have a conversation with her about naked women showing their breasts in a family newspaper."

A child shouldn't be looking at Page 3 in the first place. I haven't known an eight year old to pick up and read the newspaper anyway so I still think Topless Models should be allowed to stay on Page 3. The term 'family newspaper' involves the parents as well as the children - there are sections strictly for adults, and there are articles that children can read too. 

You can read more of what June said here - 16 year old Feminist . There are some points I have agreed with but some I felt I disagreed with. I have answered the quotes honestly and felt I spoke my mind with what she has said. 

Comments found on Cosmopolitan's link to June's article: [144 likes so far]

Mine: 
"Honestly, I don't think it's affected our generation. I don't mind page 3, the men hating feminists do. The Sun has had page 3 for god knows how many years and all of a sudden it's a problem. Just another thing for people to moan about."

Others: 
"My thoughts exactly Lauren! If these women felt "objectified" then they wouldn't pose.!!"

"If you don't want to see it don't buy the paper, simple! I don't see the same fuss being made about cosmo's naked centrefold surely it's the same thing?? (I'm not complaining just making comparison." 

Just to point out, the comments were all made by women.




After reading June's article, I think that I truly disagree with June, Page 3 should stay. 

Honestly, I don't think there is a problem at all with Topless Models on Page 3, as it's the model's choice to be 'exploited' per se, and yet, both men and women enjoy looking at the pictures. I think the Feminists are choosing [another] subjects to pick at and say "it's exploiting women" and/or saying that the pictures "give off a bad impression of women."

If Feminists and 'Meninists' constantly complained and protested about every single thing that they felt uncomfortable about or felt that women and men are being treated like objects then there would be nothing left for men or women to look at and/or watch i.e nude posters, cosmopolitan magazines, porn. Not even to mention there would be no films like Magic Mike ladies! How do you feel now? Imagine there was no Magic Mike in the world, pretty depressing right? 

There is a bounce back with everything Feminists and 'Meninists' protest against. They think about the negatives and not the positives. Everything they do has a negative impact in this day and age. Take the Page 3 incident, have they ever thought that removing the traditional Page 3 will mean that the workers will lose their jobs, that the models will lose their jobs, that men [and women] readers would never be 'cheered up' or be able to enjoy that page? 

One positive that I can think of from removing Page 3 is that the Feminists will shut up about it. 

There are a lot of angry people out there that want to keep Page 3. Seriously, what's the big problem? And if there really is a problem, why is it only just being brought up as some seriously MASSIVE issue after over fourty years? I think people who have protested against the page should grow up and accept the fact that people like to look and enjoy this page.

Let me just say one thing: IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T FUCKING LOOK AT IT.

Wow, that was a load off my shoulders. It really wasn't, but it felt good to let it out anyway. 


What do you think about the whole Page 3 incident? Comments welcomed.







Much love,


5 comments:

  1. The very idea that you believe that Page Three has only just become an issue now shows that actually you know very little about it. People have been campaigning for it's removal since day one, but with this new wave of feminism has come an even higher, serious demand for change. To be honest, even if a person has no problem with being exploited for the pleasure of men, a family newspaper is not the correct medium in which to do this. Boobs are not news. These photographs are being displayed in local supermarkets on a daily basis and the idea that having highly enhanced photographs of naked women thrust into the face of the general public is normal is quite abhorrent. The reason that so many women 'don't mind' being exploited in such a manner is because it is such a lucrative business and an easy way to achieve fame in the industry quickly - whether this is a positive or negative thing is highly debateable. Perhaps it is nothing to do with supporting page 3, and more for self-gain? Simply saying 'if you don't like it, don't look at it' perpetuates the idea that having no social conscience will solve issues, be they to do with feminism or not. It cannot be said that if page three is brought to an end there will be a gap in the market for those people who 'like to look at' naked women because such images are readily at the fingertips of any laptop user. I think that the problem that most people have with page three is simply the fact that it is a newspaper sold daily to the general public, acceptable to read on trains and in front of children and anybody who is made to feel generally uncomfortable by seeing such images plastered across the pages. x

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    1. Wow i didn't expect a huge comment haha. Thank you for letting me know your views upon this. I completely agree with what you have said! X

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  2. And thank you, for accepting them so gracefully! :) x

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  3. I don't think you know what meninism is. They're against feminism, not just male feminists.

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    1. "What is Meninism?

      Something that does not exist in the Cambridge Dictionary. It also indicates that it is a word men made up to take the piss out of feminists. Well played men, well played."

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